Hurricane brewing....

[GC-1]

Looks as though the death penalty is not out of the question. I hope they fry the cheaters myself. Also a nice photo gallery with plenty of photos with the "wanna be" Funny as heck to see Cane fans trying to explain this mess away.

Source: Willful violators clause could apply at Miami - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports

[CoeburnCane]

Kind of hard for him to falsify all of this, huh?

In my mind--no. This is a guy who lied to hundreds of people and bilked them all out of 930 million bucks via a ponzi scheme. Everyone who's not a Miami fan tends to gloss over this point b/c they're giving the Yahoo article so much credit, as far as being "the" truth. The way this dude made money over all these years is by lying to people straight to their faces, and by making things look like they were really something substantial when it was all a game of shadows.

This guy swindled tons of money from people who were used to looking at investment plans, portfolios, and financial statements...and you're saying that Yahoo's journalism team could see past any stuff he could be trying to falsify? I don't buy that. I'm leaving it up to the NCAA to tie it all together, if it can be tied together. If not, then we'll see how big of a liar and con-artist this guy really is. If they tie it together, then Miami's program will take whatever penalties they deserve, and they'll go forward.

Once again--I'm not saying Miami's completely innocent, and that means players/staff/admins. I hope whomever did wrong and hurt the program that I love gets it as hard as they can get it when it comes to punishment/sanctions. I'm just saying we can't take everything this guy says as truth until it's all tied up and found to be 100% true--even if it looks bad as-is right now. Photos and credit card statements w/o names combined with the word of a convicted felon do not constitute hard lock-tight evidence.

Keep in mind folks--SMU did go through the Death Penalty, and they're still playing football today. Their program is nowhere near where it used to be, but I think that's more of a function of their University not being a popular destination anymore now that players aren't being paid. IF Miami gets the Death Penalty, they'll be gone for a while. Maybe even a full decade. But by then--they'll still be a top destination for football players once they're off probation/sanctions. Don't believe me? Then how in the world did we win a national title in 2001 and come an ace of getting another in 2002, just a few years after sanctions in 95-96? Shouldn't the Pell Grant scandal and the alleged Uncle Luke's Pay for Play completely turn recruits off to us? Well...it didn't.

Laugh and gloat now, but honestly--it would just be a hiatus at worst. After any sanctions expire from this, Miami will be competitive again. Once they're no longer in trouble, they'll be able to get back to recruiting South Florida talent, and if the right coach is there at that point in time and can keep players home, and more importantly...run the program the right way and still be successful, then kids will still want to come to Miami. Sanctions will suck HARD in the interim, but on down the road--they'll be just fine.

[centennialdawg]

Michael Irvin certainly slammed him on his radio show earlier. Called him a rapist (not a literal) one.

[Rich_Kotite]

I'm sure that a lot of what he does say is true, but there are also a lot of inaccuracies and lies in the yahoo article as well that can be confirmed. The biggest problem is, there is so much there, it will take a thorough investigation to be able to determine what is accurate and what is fabricated.

As far as this goes though, the ncaa has a much bigger problem on their hands. Giving any type of probation to the school isnt going to help them whatsoever. They can give the death penalty if they want, still its not going to change anything.

They need to go the route they did with Todd Bozeman and Kelvin Sampson. Guys like Clint Hurtt, Jeff Stoutland, Joe Pannunzio, and Aubrey Hill need to be removed from NCAA athletics with a multiple (3-5 years imo) year ban. People in the athletic department and administration need the same penalities.

Any athletes who get caught need to be ruled ineligible and their careers be ended. No more repaying restitution.

Lastly, the college should be forced to pay millions in fines.

Bowl bans, tv bans, and death penalties do nothing but hurt the fans and the conferences and other schools. You cant do tv bans. They dont do that anymore because it screws the other team and the conference. Can you imagine how pissed everyone in Tallahassee and Blacksburg are going to be if they cant watch their own team? That aint gonna work. Bowl bans hurt the conference because of the equal payout, and the death penalty destroys everything and takes a chit ton of money away from everyone. TV networks, the school, other schools, the conference, everyone.

[Biggin]

I'm sure that a lot of what he does say is true, but there are also a lot of inaccuracies and lies in the yahoo article as well that can be confirmed. The biggest problem is, there is so much there, it will take a thorough investigation to be able to determine what is accurate and what is fabricated.

As far as this goes though, the ncaa has a much bigger problem on their hands. Giving any type of probation to the school isnt going to help them whatsoever. They can give the death penalty if they want, still its not going to change anything.

They need to go the route they did with Todd Bozeman and Kelvin Sampson. Guys like Clint Hurtt, Jeff Stoutland, Joe Pannunzio, and Aubrey Hill need to be removed from NCAA athletics with a multiple (3-5 years imo) year ban. People in the athletic department and administration need the same penalities.

Any athletes who get caught need to be ruled ineligible and their careers be ended. No more repaying restitution.

Lastly, the college should be forced to pay millions in fines.

Bowl bans, tv bans, and death penalties do nothing but hurt the fans and the conferences and other schools. You cant do tv bans. They dont do that anymore because it screws the other team and the conference. Can you imagine how pissed everyone in Tallahassee and Blacksburg are going to be if they cant watch their own team? That aint gonna work. Bowl bans hurt the conference because of the equal payout, and the death penalty destroys everything and takes a chit ton of money away from everyone. TV networks, the school, other schools, the conference, everyone.

Never mentioned by name. Shapiro named everyone else under the sun except Joe. Why was that? Besides the fact that Pan still talked to him afterwards and didnt cut all ties, I cant figure out why Yahoo had to dig up clues to implicate him, that NS wouldnt do it.

[Rich_Kotite]

No idea. Yahoo wrote a half ass article. They tell the story but leave the reader asking a lot of questions. The amount of players that they quoted, but wouldn't mention their names, is something that bugs me.

At what point does the federal government get involved in something like this? The amount of corruption in sports is so bad these days. The mafia has been fixing games for years. We know about Tim Daugnahy(sp?) and everyone has heard about all of the street agents involved in college athletics, and AAU has ruined college basketball to an extent. You have people gambling heavy on youth league football games in inner cities (miami is the worst, go figure). At some point the government is going to have to step in and fix some of these problems the way the steroid problems in baseball were fixed. I'm not much for socialism, but I don't want to see college football turn into WWE either.

[Biggin]

No idea. Yahoo wrote a half ass article. They tell the story but leave the reader asking a lot of questions. The amount of players that they quoted, but wouldn't mention their names, is something that bugs me.

At what point does the federal government get involved in something like this? The amount of corruption in sports is so bad these days. The mafia has been fixing games for years. We know about Tim Daugnahy(sp?) and everyone has heard about all of the street agents involved in college athletics, and AAU has ruined college basketball to an extent. You have people gambling heavy on youth league football games in inner cities (miami is the worst, go figure). At some point the government is going to have to step in and fix some of these problems the way the steroid problems in baseball were fixed. I'm not much for socialism, but I don't want to see college football turn into WWE either.

I was being slightly facetious, I seriously doubt Panny is Cosa Nostra or some shit like that haha, I bet he is still somewhat close with Shapiro so maybe he doesnt wanna throw one of his last friends under the bus.

I agree with the last part, but I dont believe we should rely on the government to fix certain sports. We have commissioners, league officials, college presidents, etc.. the responsibility lies on them to fix their sports. I agree that someone needs to forcefully start this, but its their responsibility to maintain a decent product while maintaining some integrity.

College sports in particular are ripe with corruption.
1) AAU/street agents for college basketball
its by far the worst IMO. its the most rotten system in sports.
2) College football and boosters
its nowhere near as bad as AAU basketball and having to deal with handlers every time, but its getting that way. Not to mention football brings more revenue, so the problems will be more likely to be swept under the rug to maintain revenue.
3) baseball and scholarships
By allowing players to receive varying amount of scholarship money, it makes for tough cohesion at times when player A is receiving 10x the amount player B is getting, or when player B has to give up some of his scholarship money to open the door for a hotshot prospect to sign. Its nowhere near as bad as bball/cfb but its clearly an issue.

[Rich_Kotite]

And when Shapiro's sometime dining companion Carlos Noriega, Miami Beach police chief, met U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder at South Beach's Prime 112 steakhouse, Shapiro was there to get his photo snapped with the nation's top law enforcement official, a police spokesman confirmed.

"He would always say, 'I have to go meet this NFL player or this NBA player, "' said Adam Meyer, a sports handicapper in Plantation who runs adamwins.com and said he advised Shapiro on sports bets. "If you go into the house, it's pictures of him with all different famous athletes. Dwyane Wade on the boat with their arms around each other. Shaq bench-presssing him."


This guy was a picture whore and also it has to be a HUGE problem when the highest of government officals are hanging out with you. It makes everyone look bad. But you have to start wondering what hes saying is true and what isnt. Arthur Brown's dad and mentor's name were on hotel receipts that Shapiro provided, but somehow Brown has been cleared to play. Dubose and Patchan have already been cleared to play at UF even though they were being entertained just like Ray Ray Armstrong and Dyron Dye were. Robert Marve has been cleared to play at Purdue. With all of these players being cleared to play, the investigation is obviously A) a lot further along than what we know since we are just getting the information and B) many of the allegations, especially against Arthur Brown, must have been confirmed to be false otherwise we would be looking at another UNC type player suspension.